Now, is this because we're offended believers who don't like our religion dissed? No, we're both atheists. I would qualify myself as "agnostic" only in the sense that, if I take a materialist view, then I have to believe that the human brain, shaped by natural selection, is thereby limited in its capacties, and unlikely to be able to grasp reality whole. A little humility would be consistent.
I detest the puerile effusions of all village atheists. "Me so smart! Believers so dumb! Me so brave! Believers moral cowards needing crutches!" Well, I'd say you a leetle bit smarter than the fathead fundies who apparently inhabit the intellectual stratum into which your natural gifts have delivered you, is my usual mental response. At least, I've always suspected that this scenario explains the posturing of a lot of the VAs I've run across, as I interact with a lot of believers on a regular basis, none of whom - except for the street corner buttonholers - evinces any simple-minded awe of the Great Alpha Male in the Sky or offers bible verses as proof of God's existence. Not that this makes me agree with them, but I do have to face the grim truth that some of these irrational crutch-dependent mental/moral cretins have enough IQ (and character) points on me that I can't, much as I'm tempted to, console myself in the circularity of "but I don't believe their unevidenced fairy tales, ergo...".
And often sailing along with the above is the truly thickheaded implication - particularly thickheaded coming from people who lay claim to a materialist, and therefore necessarily biologically based view of man - that if human beings gave up their irrational belief in God, human nature would be miraculously redeemed and human beings would stop doing the terrible things we've always done. Would it were so. Oh twentieth century.
Perhaps I'll make a link category titled "dim bulbs" noting bloggers I've caught professing belief. Then some brighty can outline for our edification how irrational morons such as, ya know, Dave Trowbridge, or Natalie Solent, or Iain Murray, or Medpundit ought to be contributing to the advance of humanity instead of mumbling over their prayer beads and proselytizing for holy war.
UPDATE: Ah ha. One of the aforementioned dimmies has weighed in already. Well, she hadn't yet when I checked in before linking. Don't want to be slower than one of those people, you know.
UPPITY UPDATE:
Dipnut and Angie Schultz also comment, and I think they strike exactly the right tone.
Mark Wickens, however, is distressed at all this impiety toward the Church Ladies of the Order of the Brights. He's muttering darkly about the cowardly deference toward religion assuredly motivating the strong negative response to the fatuous self-regard, finger-wagging evangelism, and pimply-faced posturing sound thinking so liberally on display in the articles in question. Well, Mark, it's your call if you want to give sanctimonious schoolmarms a pass because they happen to share your view of reality. Frankly, if reverential assent, and not a good honest horse laugh, was your primary response to this gasbaggery...well, I dunno. I'd almost suspect you were a Randian or something.
I can dig your take on the question of faith, partly because I (mostly) agree with you, and partly because you are respectful in your disagreement with those of faith.
I believe in God - strongly so - but not in the terms Dawkins snearingly rejects. I don't have terms or descriptions for this God idea. I don't have a clear picture I can sell someone else. I don't try to sell. There's no moral advantage, but neither is it a crutch. Can Dawkers dig it?
Nope, and, I see no reason to respect Dawkers' trademark on his own Stupidity™. His brand of atheism IS religion. As a huckster, he's bright.
Posted by: Ranald on June 25, 2003
I agree with most of what you've said. I must that I, personally, have never run into idiot atheists in the flesh, only idiot believers. (The idiot atheists are all on-line.)
Anyway, I've got a post about it on my blog. It's shorter than it would be, because I've got the New! Improved! Blogger! Guaranteed to drive you into the arms of MT in only half the time!
Posted by: Angie Schultz on June 26, 2003
I came out of hibernation to blog this, only to find that Andrea said all the same things I did (except the part about the calipers).
Posted by: dipnut on June 26, 2003
Yeah, I didn't think about calipers! A thought just occurred to me, though (I won't add it to my post because it's already scrolled down the page, etc. etc.): I'll bet a lot of these "brights" who are habitual religious-decryers give their favorite people who happen to be religious a pass. For instance, I know quite a few atheists and agnostics who admire Tolkien. Like, well, me. I don't think we will hear or read anything from atheist Tolkien-admirers about what a dummy he was for being a devout Catholic.
Posted by: Andrea Harris on June 26, 2003
Not all atheists are like that. Some of us know that atheism is a belief just like any other belief.
Posted by: Steven Den Beste on June 28, 2003
And some of us know that the belief that "atheism is a belief just like any other belief" is a false belief just like any other false belief.
Posted by: The Raving Atheist on June 29, 2003
Ditto what Mr. Den Beste says. To elaborate, our atheism is a faith because we can never prove we're right. There is no evidence to support our belief.
I can however, claim to have superior intellect or integrity over most of the faithful, be they Christian, Jew, Atheists or other, because I am one of the few willing to admit that I could be wrong about the nature or existance of God. Anyone who claims to know is being foolish or dishonest.
Posted by: Doug Purdie on July 02, 2003